Monday, October 19, 2009


"My quote for this weekend. I am dating this chick.Only problem is she suppots Man Utd.So I cant get serious.Then a close friend told me. Its ok,Its the only time these days we get to give Utd"

FROM THE SHOOBS CORNERTHE LAD HAS RETURNED AND HAS HIS FINAL SAY...We’re back and we’re gonna be singing !!!

Since the Jihad is back on, I thought I’d get something together for Swoosh just to give the LFC fans some food for thought (and a reason to vent their frustrations at this difficult period). Admittedly, I’ve been absent from Swoosh’s blog as the taste of defeat in Rome last season is still fresh in my mind. Even though, it was almost a given that Barca were going to teach us a footballing lesson, there was always that bit of hope that we could go back to back in Europe... but after an impressive 10 minutes from United the Catalans simply just stepped it up a gear and were deservedly crowned the Kings of Europe. Obviously, although that still hurts, it’s in the past and we’re now on the brink of what is shaping up to be testing fixture at Anfield.

The thing I’m looking forward to on Sunday is the pre-kick off plan hatched by some Reds. The LFC shop has been sold out with those Liverpool beach balls and have been inundated with calls for them by United fans. The plan is to chuck them on to the pitch before kick-off. I’m sure this will piss the scousers off to no end and if the United fans manage to pull this off they will be severely critized, but f**k ... that’s some funny shyte !!! As you can imagine, tickets for this fixture are hard to come by and if you manage to come across one, the cost would be in excess of £250.00. Trying to score a ticket from a tout at Anfield is not really an option as they don’t let them go cheap and Anfield is famed for fake tickets – scousers ripping off fellow LFC fans, not surprising at all !!!

I was watching Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Alan Hansen discussing Rafa on TV on Sunday night and Shearer raised a few very valid points; Rafa has had a fair amount of time at LFC and by now should have been able to have created a team that is capable of winning titles, instead Liverpool are very much a two man team ... despite what anyone may say about that, it is pretty much true. He also mentioned something like 67 players coming in and out of LFC during Rafa’s tenure and that LFC had their BEST ever EPL season and still finished second to United!!! Take this into account and you’ve got to wonder; is Rafa really as brilliant a gaffer that LFC fans make him out to be? Winner in Europe, yes but on the back of that has he really delivered anything of substance to the club? A legacy, a few titles, a brilliant youth system? Personally, I don’t know and don’t care ... this is something for the scouse scum to worry about.

Last year, I took a hammering on the blog for being bias towards United and being an arrogant United supporter, not much has changed !!! Hats off to Red Man, he’s got it spot on and is a credit to United supporters all over the world...objective and fair. On the hand, I’m still here to laugh at the scum and proudly proclaim we are all living in the United era of football !!! Sir Alex is without doubt the greatest manager of this generation and Giggsy is without doubt the personification of what a footballer should really be. Yes, you b*stards did a double on us last year, but whose cabinet is the trophy sitting in? Yes, you b*stards laughed at us and all of a sudden turned into Catalans when Barca embarrassed us in Rome, at least we were in Rome !!! You smiled and said we’re f*cked when Ronaldo and Tevez left OT, look at the league table now !!! So, bring on all the abuse, talk as much crap as you want and criticize our club, players and fans till your heart is content ... it always seems to come back and f*ck Liverpool over ... just ask Rafa, he knows that for a “fact” !!! Remember in 1994 there was this banner at Anfield that read “Come back and sing 'Ooh Aah Cantona' when you've won 18”... come Sunday, we’ll be back and we’ll be singing our hearts out !!! Just hope you guys can make a game of it, these are the fixtures that us, as football fans, live for !!!

If Anfield is the outer appearance of Liverpool FC – its face, its skin, its very public expressions – then Melwood is its heart, its guts, its nervous system.

When Rafa Benítez personally invites me to meet him for lunch at the legendary training ground, Liverpool have just seen their six-game winning streak come to an end in Italy, but things are still looking good. There is no agenda; just a long overdue chance to say hello, and say thank-you for taking the time to write for the official site for four years.

And it is still only a few months ago that Real Madrid and Manchester United were thrashed, and a genuine title challenge was mounted, despite the 4th-most expensive squad (now 5th) and the 4th-most expensive wage bill (now 5th).

(Anyone who doubts the utterly vital importance of the wages factor, read Soccernomics/Why England Lose; the biggest payers win the biggest prizes more than nine times out of ten.)

By the time the meeting takes place, the newspapers are full of ‘crisis’ talk, just months after the best league season that any late-teen Red will have lived through. (The kind of late-teen now spouting off on internet forums about his ineptitude, not that they can conjure such words.)

Inadvertently, I am entering the eye of the storm. Or so I expect. The world is chattering about Benítez and his future, and here I am, about to spend part of the morning and almost the entire afternoon with him, chatting one-to-one about the club we both love.

Melwood has clearly come a long way since the days Bill Shankly turned up to find a glorified flea pit. Space-age facilities, pitches that put the lawns at Hampton Court to shame, and a bold red decor; but all fenced off from the world, and autograph hunters, by the same old breeze block brick wall.

I glance across at the legendary hill, constructed for gruelling trudges up and down, and the target boxes divided into nine squares, each with a number painted, the like of which I recall from pictures of Shankly’s time. But otherwise it’s from another planet, not just another era.

Having been on the Kop for the visit of Lyon, I dread the mood as the final 20 minutes sees a win turn to defeat, and more players limp off. I half expect Rafa to cancel, and for everyone to be in a foul mood; a time for inquests and recriminations.

However, I encounter no such despair; morale seems okay (if, understandably, no-one is performing cartwheels and dancing on tables like the cast of Fame). Admittedly I have no prior experience of the place to compare it with, but I am buoyed by the aura.

I get to see some of the training, but of course, there aren’t a lot of fit senior players out there, and it’s only a short, gentle session after the night before.

Around noon, Rafa greets me warmly for the second time that day, only now I will have his full, undivided attention. We head to his office, and within minutes he’s sketching formations on scraps of loose paper.

Despite the ever-widening criticism, this is a man who, over the previous four seasons, has seen his team average 78 points in the league; or the grand total with which Arsene Wenger won his first title. The team Rafa inherited averaged 62 points and did nothing in Europe in Houllier’s final two seasons (in other words, the seasons he was sacked for).

This is a man who has raised around £100m in Champions League qualification and progress, and reached two finals; despite no wealthy benefactors pumping in unlimited funds, and despite contrasting messages from up on high during the past few years that leave many people confused.

This is a man who has never had enough money – crucially – at any one time to put together a squad to match the expense of his rivals’. More than half of what he’s spent he’s recouped in order to make that overall spend, yet he gets credited with having spent mythical amounts.

This is not the ‘70s and ‘80s, when success bred success, as two geniuses held the reins for 24 years, before two other top managers kept things ticking over (and in Dalglish’s case, to a new level of aesthetic brilliance).

This is also not the ‘90s, when Graeme Souness, enjoying the last time the club was as relatively rich as its rivals (pre-Premier League boom, pre-United marketing machine, pre-billionaire backers), broke British records on spending to try and get the Reds back to the top, only to turn them into an awful collection of overweight, disinterested no-hopers, with the odd decent skinny kid thrown in.

Once that money was spent, and the thoroughly decent Roy Evans had been cheated by another record signing, Stan Collymore, who didn’t even bother turning up for training some of the time (but who is now an ‘expert’ on management), Liverpool had become also-rans.

And so I meet Benítez during a bad spell for the club, but a bad three months; not a bad three years, to point to the record of one of his critics this week. The club are still in better shape than when Rafa arrived; that ex-manager (Souness) left things in a total mess.

Some more context. At the end of last season, having shown them their best six months in over a decade, Martin O’Neill was being vilified by the Villains. Now he’s great again. Arsene Wenger was being gunned at by Gunners, now he’s back on track. Top managers have bad spells. Shit happens. Well-run clubs stick by good men; bad ones end up like Newcastle.

Why Am I Here?

With everyone from the club making me feel incredibly welcome, any nerves about meeting the man himself have ebbed away. In wandering around the canteen area, I see all of the reserve team playing table tennis and pool, ahead of their own light training before the evening’s game. Then the manager approaches me, and our meeting begins within the techno-zone that is his plush office.

Rafa makes it clear that I am here so that he can say thank-you for my efforts over the past five years, and to let me know that he’s impressed by how much I get right about him and his methods; he finds it unusual that someone takes the time and makes the effort.

Of course, this being Rafa, he points out a couple of things I’ve got wrong. (I like this: it makes me feel that he is not just bullshitting me; and he’s clearly right about what I got wrong.)

He makes it clear that he doesn’t want to colour or influence what I write, but of course, is glad that someone takes on his critics upon his behalf with actual facts, rather than spurious conceits.

I am not asked to change anything I do, nor to do anything for him. He just wants to make sure that when I talk about things like zonal marking, I am aware of the exact way the team line-up, whose job is what, and so on.

I explain that once I was made aware, from the outset in 2005, that he was a regular reader of my column on the official site, I had to make sure I knew what I was talking about; that my main aim was indeed to understand his methods rather than judge him, and that if I did judge him, I better be able to back up what I was saying.

Facts became more important to me than ever before, and when I looked at what kind of budget he was working on (compared with his rivals), or how many games he was winning, and all the other things that go to make up the context, my belief in him grew.

Even very recently, reading a book like Soccernomics/Why England Lose, I found my beliefs backed up, with its ultra-modern approach to the game. (No living in the past in that tome; it’s in a small part about why England fans expect too much based on distant history, but also about how money, and particularly wages, play a bigger part in success than people appreciate.)


The word I’d use to describe the manager is ‘equanimous’, which my dictionary notes as “mental calmness, composure, and evenness of temper, esp. in a difficult situation”.

If he doesn’t punch the air in victory, he also won’t punch a player in defeat.

But this is not to say that he is not passionate; on several topics he gets very animated. His love for the club is clear. He desire to succeed his clear. His burning ambition to get the most out of what he has at his disposal is clear.

I find him a warm, welcoming man – nothing like the ludicrous ‘cold’ stereotype – and Melwood is the epitome of professionalism. Other staff members point out that they’ve seen him give lots of encouragement to players, and certainly offers a human touch.

Yes, the conversation is almost exclusively about football, but his office has enough reminders of his family life outside the game to show that he is not some soulless robot, and his humour is clear. And anyway, he didn’t invite me there to talk about that week’s Strictly Come Dancing, did he?

We spend almost four hours over lunch in his personal meeting room, and afterwards in his office, going through tactics, personnel, and almost anything else you care to mention.

It is such a natural, easy conversation, at times I have to remind myself who I am talking with; and ‘with’ is the right word. At no point does he talk at me. And in person, his English is easier to understand than it is with a microphone thrust in his face. (For the record, I took no notes, nor made any recordings; it was just two men talking football.)

After several diagrams sketched on A4 sheets, he leads me to the canteen and shows me the day’s healthy selection. As I stand trying to decide, Alberto Aquilani taps him on the shoulder to ask about the reserve game later that night. They talk briefly in Italian. The boss turns back, and approves of my choice: paella, which I was pleasantly surprised to find amid the pasta dishes.

Later we discuss the new Italian midfielder: an independent expert had told the club that he would be fit for the end of August, but that ended up being pushed back and back. It was frustrating, but Rafa was very happy with what he was now seeing in training – the lad has vision and technique – even if he obviously still has to adapt to the pace of the English game.

(Later, as Rafa shows me around the entire complex, I am shown the special new machine that helped Aquilani train despite the injury.)

The fee is £17m, he tells me, and he points out that John Arne Riise (“a good lad”) has just texted him to once again to offer his support, and to say Liverpool have got a real gem in Aquilani.

(I like that a player the manager has sold still texts his old boss; no signs of a lack of affection there, even if Rafa makes it clear that it is obviously not his job to be best mates with his charges, just as Fabio Capello won’t be bonding with his players beyond the acceptable bounds.)

It was a difficult summer, Rafa explains, with Alonso determined to leave and Barcelona niggling away at Mascherano.

The manager certainly wanted to do more business in the market himself, but was unable to. His frustrations are evident, and he lists a few players he went in for; in most cases his interest was well known, but one less so. A shame, I think, when I hear the name. I’m also told of one world-class star in the making that Liverpool made an early approach for in 2007, but before the deal could be tied up, due to dallying, he was lured elsewhere.

We discuss the Alonso situation at length. Rafa made the decision at the end of the midfielder’s fourth season, in 2008; for two years Xabi wasn’t quite cutting it – loads of Kopites were even saying as much – and in Gareth Barry, Rafa had in mind a more robust player, with different qualities and, crucially, an English passport for the changing rules. And with Xabi’s wife expecting a baby, there had been rumblings of a desire to return to Spain.

A new formation was devised, to take into account Barry’s energy and his ability to get up and back, and also to cross with deadly accuracy, but for well-known reasons, the deal fell through.

By then the bridges with Alonso were somewhat burned, and although the Basque had his best-ever season, he had his heart set on leaving. Nothing new there, I know, but nice to have it explained in depth, in person. The player wanted out, and Liverpool got £30m.

Time To Go?

We are briefly interrupted at different times by Sammy Lee and Frank McParland, and I am introduced to both: intense, driven men who share Rafa’s desire for success, and the trustworthy sign of a firm handshake.

I’m not sure if the meeting is supposed to last as long as it is, and I keep asking the boss if he has something else to be doing; but he’s taken training, the physios are doing their job, and Rafa isn’t about to knock off early. It may have been a few hours, but it’s only a small part of his working day.

Even so, I can see how eager he is to have the world understand his ideas, especially when ex-players and the vast majority of the media are clearly hostile and keen to misrepresent him; he knows that unlike some of his rivals, he doesn’t have friends in high places, such as Fleet Street, Sky TV, the League Managers’ Association and the FA. (These are my assumptions; he gives no specifics. But it’s not hard to see which managers work the system for their advantage through old pals networks, and which clubs have greater influence in certain areas.)

Whenever I think I’d better leave him in peace, we get onto another subject. Zonal marking pops up. So, too, does Rafa – from his seat, demonstrating positioning, who should be where, against the backdrop of his broad office window’s glare.

This isn’t enough. A DVD from his extensive library is slipped into the machine, and now he’s showing me how what Liverpool deploy is actually a mix of both zonal and man-marking. I am shown who should be where, and what each individual’s job is; how that job changes depending on which foot the taker is using (inswinger/outswinger); and how there is as much personal responsibility as the alternative – everyone knows their job.

Then he takes me, beat by beat, through other teams, and the gross failings of some man-markers, and also points out several players who, despite being labelled man-markers, are marking zones! (men on the posts, and others here and there.) We look at a side who are very successful at defending set-pieces, and he shows me how they defend a similar way to the Reds (and holy shit, they do!); they just happen to have a lot of tall players.

Unfortunately, tall players who are also technically gifted, as all-rounders, cost more money; you can buy giants who can defend set-pieces, but can’t then play the game in the manner you require.

If you want very good footballers like Mascherano, Benayoun and Insua, then, as with most things in life, there’s a flip side. Good footballers who are also imposing physical specimens cost a premium. And even Chelsea, with their giants and noted headers of a ball, have conceded four set-piece goals in their last two away games.


I put to Rafa a lot of the ‘difficult’ questions fans raise with me, and he answers each without a problem.

Obviously I cannot discuss all of his answers, because it was in the context of a private conversation, and I don’t want to betray confidences about certain players. He knows the balance of the team isn’t quite right, and he’s working hard to make the necessary adjustments; but issues with form and fitness are not helping.

It suddenly occurs to me that if every individual critic of Rafa’s could sit down and have a similar conversation, they’d be converted. At the very least, they’d be a lot wiser.

That wouldn’t mean they’d suddenly feel mistakes still aren’t made: every signing can go bad, every substitution comes with a risk, and so on. You can make the right decisions and get unlucky, and make the wrong decisions and get good fortune.

I sense that a big part of his job is building up the confidence of struggling players, and keeping the egos in check when they think they’ve ‘made it’. But then that’s just one of the tough aspects of management.


People inevitably say that Rafa is stubborn, but I don’t know one top manager who doesn’t have the courage of his convictions. Personally, I don’t want a manager who has one set of beliefs one week, and who then changes his mind the next. If you know something works more often than not, you stick with it when it’s not; changing is not the answer.

For example, four years of having either the best, or one of the best, set-piece records (defensively), is to be taken more seriously than a spell of ten games. And anyway, will total man-marking make Insua or Mascherano 6ft 5?

And people will criticise his decisions, such as playing three at the back at Sunderland; ignoring that previous deployments of the system, though infrequent, had proved successful.

We discuss the irony of the boos over removing Benayoun (whom he felt had played well, but run himself to a standstill) when a year earlier, the general consensus was that ‘he wasn’t fit to wear the shirt’.

And of course, there was the issue of confidence. The night before, Liverpool had at last found some of this precious elixir after taking the lead; but as soon as Lyon equalised, you could see it visibly drain away. That happens when things aren’t going your way.

Rafa tells me of Luis Aragonés’ saying “You can’t buy confidence in Marks & Spencers”. There is no magic wand, no secret message, no miraculous injection; you can only keep plugging away, doing the right thing, and hope that it changes.

We’ve all seen a striker who can’t score for love nor money, then one goes in off his arse and he’s bubbling again. That same thing can happen with a team; except on top of individual struggles, that undefinable “wavelength” confidence goes askew as well. Everyone is hesitant, in their passing and in their movement.

The same group of players who were passing-and-moving to near-perfection in the second half of last season (even when Alonso was absent) haven’t suddenly forgotten how to play football.

With candour, Benítez admits to some mistakes, particularly in the transfer market, but points out that he had to gamble on cheaper players when his first choices (whom his rivals could afford) were beyond the finances of the club. He knows that he’s often had to sell in order to buy; something that’s also not true at other major clubs.

He tells various stories of players who, despite big reputations, surprised senior Reds by their lack of understanding of what they were asked to do, and those who couldn’t adapt, or couldn’t (or wouldn’t) learn English, or whose wives wanted away. There are those who demanded guaranteed first-team football or they’d leave; so they left.

Then there are the agents, hangers-on, etc, and you realise that controlling a group of disparate, super-rich and in some cases egotistical men (Everyone’s Got One – only some more than others), half of whom are going to be unhappy with you that week, is a minefield. And for a clear outsider like Benítez, who doesn’t have his cliques within the English game, it’s certainly no easier.

We discuss who could still be at the club if he could afford to give contracts in line with Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City. He names good squad players at other clubs who are kept happy by handsome salaries.

We talk of how nice it would have been to have someone like Peter Crouch still at the club, but he obviously had to be behind Torres in the pecking order for front-line striker, and the manager couldn’t offer him big wages to try and make him happier (if not ‘happy’) on the bench.

We discuss several major players, now at rival clubs, whom he thought had been signed (dating back to 2005), only for the deal to fall through for reasons beyond his control. Again, mostly well-known stuff, but some surprises, and an insight into how he felt his hands were tied.

We discuss actual transfer fees, not what the media claims he has spent. And he points out that he often didn’t set the fee; after all, the negotiating wasn’t his job. He was surprised at how much the club ended up paying for players he had been told in his initial enquiries could have been got for less.

We discuss how, for example, people accuse him of wasting money on Dossena (“a top pro”, he says, but one who has struggled with the system), yet one reason the Italian isn’t in the side is the emergence of Insua – a very shrewd buy.

Whether or not Dossena would eventually come good (if given playing time) almost becomes moot; Insua, for around £1m, is excelling.

Insua could now well be worth much more than the fee paid for both him and Dossena, but people will only focus on the negative. Although he doesn’t say so, if Insua had cost £7m and Dossena £1m, there’d be no problem. So … what’s the problem? (And that’s before adding Aurelio, a free transfer; three international left-backs, two of whom can also play in midfield, for £8m.)

Rafa is surprisingly candid as we speak about pretty much every first team member, followed by every reserve, and even a number of youth players. He lists their strengths, and talks with admiration about many, but even the best he wants to improve in certain areas. It’s perfectionism that drives a hunger in individuals; there’s surely a reason that Steven Gerrard’s best form as a footballer has come under Rafael Benítez’s stewardship? Who cares if Rafa gives him a cuddle or bakes him a cake?

Later on, as I get the full tour, we pass one lesser known teenage reserve, and Rafa, pulling me to one side so the kid can’t hear, makes it clear that this lad has something about him. “Look out for him.” But sometimes it’s better if the kid doesn’t get ideas above his station.


One subject that I bring up is the number of players he’s accused of buying.

He grabs the white A4, and draws out lists of how many first team players he inherited that were just not good enough (roughly half). He does the same with the reserve team (almost every player), and then the youth team (every player bar one). It turns out to be around 50 players in total.

So when he is accused of buying far too many players, he points out that he had little choice; that many were bought because they were better than what was already there, even if, with youngsters, you can never guarantee who will make the grade, or how quickly they will progress.

And even a 17-year-old needs a professional contract.

He wonders why there is this obsession with all these signings, when every big club stocks its youth and reserve teams with imports and purchases.

My take is this: if you have 50 players at a club (from top to bottom) who you believe are not good enough – and therefore they need to go – you will not replace them sufficiently with 50 signings.

The law of averages say that some new purchases will get injured, some will not settle, some will turn out to be ‘not as advertised’ (i.e. they couldn’t do what was asked of them, or, though well-scouted, were not as good when seen in your team. Some will have been poorly scouted, hence Benítez’s desire to improve that side of things.)

Make 50 signings, and maybe, with a good wind, 25 will be successes of varying degrees, from acceptable to outstanding; far less if you’re talking about teenagers, who can fail to develop or lose focus.

It might take three years to make those 50 signings, and you may still be very short at every level of the club. So to get the next 25, you might need to buy 50 more, by which time some of the successes have left for varying reasons. So it’s a constant process of improvement, hampered by the financial inability to shop for more than the occasional established world-class player.

How can it go wrong?

He talks glowingly about Francisco Duran’s ability, but after three cruciate injuries, there’s a chance the Spanish younger, who was coveted by Arsene Wenger but chose Liverpool, will never be the same again. Wonderful prospect in 2007, but fate has handicapped his development. He may not have become the next Cesc Fabregas, but then neither would Fabregas had he had three such horrible injuries.

He mentions young players now at other clubs that he thought he had done enough to sign, but when not enough urgency was shown by those he was asking to do the business.

I am invited around to look at his PC monitor, to see his database of the full Melwood cast list, and who he has in mind for each position, from first team through to young prospects. I learn which kids are showing a great attitude, and which ones are disappointing him; the kind of thing you just don’t get to see unless you’re part of the club. It’s great information, but something for him to discuss with the players in question (and not for me to mention). Some, it saddens him to see, seem to have entourages already. He dreads good young players losing their focus, or having their heads turned. That’s why mentality is so important.

He rates Pacheco, the fans’ darling-in-waiting, but although he doesn’t say as much, he is another small, clever player, the like of which is already in abundance in a team lacking height. But Pacheco definitely has a chance, if he can span the great gap that exists from the reserves to the first team.

I mention Nemeth, and Rafa clearly likes him; but he needs first-team experience to toughen up. He’s definitely not out on loan to be offloaded, but at this stage Voronin, with his added experience (given that the first team is still very young, on average), was felt to be the better option as back-up second-striker.

Gulasci (whom I earlier watched close up in a one-on-one session with a goalkeeping coach) is another prospect he has high hopes for; but young goalkeepers can get crucified after a mistake, and 20 is very young for the bench in that position.

Finally, Ayala is singled out for praise as someone with a great attitude and a very bright future. (Having walked past the 18-year-old, all I can say as I’d have hated him marking me! Jesus Christ, I almost shat myself when he looked my way…).

The difficulty, of course, is in finding loans for promising players that will see them get games; we discuss incentives for those clubs taking these young Reds, such as San Jose’s year in Spain.

Send them to rival Premiership clubs, as happened in the past, and it’s likely to be a struggling side who shows an interest (Chelsea aren’t going to want your best reserves, are they? – and nor will they get them), only for the manager to then panic (or get sacked) and the club jettison them to their own reserves when the going gets tougher. It happened with Mellor and Le Tallec. So the aim is to find clubs who will definitely develop them.

Finally, we discuss the sell-on clauses that some younger ‘flops’ (who are now succeeding abroad) have in their contracts. Again, I won’t go into details, but it’s nice to know that profits will be made on small investments.


Before I leave, I get the full guided tour by the boss (known simply as ‘boss’ to every player), and at the front doors, Rafa shakes my hand not once but twice.

He smiles warmly, wishes me well, pats me on the shoulder, and I can’t help but think “crisis? what crisis?”

Buoyed by his calmness, and after another can of Red Bull, I drive home thinking that even if we can get a half-decent team out on Sunday we can give United a good test, and what a difference a win would make. Then even the naysayers might be saying “crisis? what crisis?”
thanks Mike Ghani for the email
In this Bumper Tuesday we have included the European round up in this post.
I was forced to put this on by a MANC Fan and sinci it is the Jihad I have to Lump it

In Wednesdays matches the MANCS came away with a 3 points from Moscow. But they left it late as Valencia grabbed the winner in what is a relatively easy group. But we want the MANCS in the second phase of course. Chelsea had a solid 3-0 win over Atletico Madrid and Atletico have been dismal lately, but a good win nontherless.

For me though after last nights disappointment it was  a good 1-0 win over ten men Macabbi Haifa. Juve are struggling,But at this stage we will take all three points .Chielini putting Juve in front. But whats worse is that Bayern were beaten by Bordeux and the Frenchman still missed two penalties. This splits the group wide open. With two tough clashes remaining for Juve they must win 2 of the next 3...with Haifa a must win. The game in France will probably be a winner take all.

Killa..What do you have to say...You guys got worked by the French.
Shakes may make an appearance after Milan beat Madrid.Are Madrid struggling more without Penaltinho. Pato sealed an important three points for Milan.A very important 3 points. Was a decent game and DIDA is absolutley shocking. But we want Milan and Madrid to qualify of course.
So last night proved to be better worse than tonight..........
Its gonna be a tough campaign..........As we head into 2010 the feast of football starts......

What has happened to Liverpool Football Club?
Before when you entered the gates of Anfield their was fear in the oppositions. Liverpool looked nothing like the Liverpool they were before.Lyon have put us on the brink of an exit.With no Gerard and Torres the subsitutions that come on are k@3k. There is no squad. Why did Benitez take of Ben Ayoun? I dunno, I got no words, Pressure is on for the weekend......Both Lyon goals were from the same flank.And Theft in the end sealed our fate. But Il be honest....Lyon deserved the equaliser and even the win. We were poor. Theres something wrong. I will leave the rest to the lads from the KOP, as for the MANCS Im sure they going to enjoy the bloodbath.......First time we lost 4 in a row since 1980

It was a bad night in Europe for everyone...Arsenal were victims of theft,Inter drew,Barcelona were shocked, Rangers got thumped. anf Fiorentina won....So this leaves Liverpool on the brink of an exit and they have lost 4 matches in a Sunday be 5....Thats why the Jihad becomes a bloodbath today

As tradition on the blog,This is one time that the MANCS and Us go at each other.There is no Love lost here. Its about Pride...Its about Izzet

Its also one time that on the blog anything goes. Its WAR...........Its f#4ken WAR
This year is offering the winning comment an Original Replica Kit of either Liverpool or Man Utd.
Slate Liverpool,Bash a MANC .Leave a comment of substance and structure with your full Name and you could win.

*Any comments with vulgar language,religious slurs or racist comments will be promptly deleted.

For those of you that are new,The Jihad Abus vs Alis, Means only one thing.
ABU=Anyone but United.
ALI=Anti liverpool

So I post the same introductary message as always
So the Jihad: Abus vs Ali's will be upon us again. I urge every member of the Kop to wield their swords and step on the batllefield. Post you comments. Join the Fight.

This is what its all about you Utd Muggs. This is the time when we place friendship aside and put Izzet(Dignity) in Front.

For the Arsenal supporters they are like the Irish, You can never trust them on which side they'll be On.

So Join the Fight, For the Babes Stand your ground, Post your comments please against these sexist owes. Show that your opinion counts. And Everybody join the bloodshed , Spill some Blood and leave a comment.

This is the time that we PUNISH MAN UTD on this Blog. This is the time that we show them that referees are always not on their side. This is the time that we show them They will never steal victory in stoppage time. This is the time we bury them.

Why oh Why does Rafa keep playing Lucas. Weve been through this time and time again.The MANCS will be smiling if Lucas plays in midffield.Is Carrick better than Lucas...Is Luk Chadwick better than Lucas. The Curse of Lucas is one of the main worries this weekend

Glenn Jhonson,Gerrard,Torres,Kuyt,Benayoun and Macherano will have to come big this weekend.And if these guys are on song than we pose a signaficant threat to the MANCS. Jhonsons marauding runs ,Monster Mash breaking down the United midfield. Penaltinho didnt really deliver against Liverpool so the wing backs should exploit more often. Pepe Reinnas shot stopping should also be a key factor on Sunday

In a big game like this its more often the man with lesser of a reputation that pops up and hurts you. And Ive said Fletcher is a MUGG.But its the MUGG that I single out often is the one I fear. Also in a game of this magnitude we have to be weary of the wit and guile and skill of Ryan Giggs. But as I said its Muggs like Berbatov and Rio Ferdinand and Anderson that I fear can pop up and make this Sunday painfull.
And of course theres Michael Owen who will have so much Nazr from the Liverpool fans and if he hurts us........It will be a tough scar to remove

Who would emmerge as the tactical genius on Sunday. Rafa has been shocking with his inclusion of Lucas.Ferguson has been sound.Rafa must play a 4-4-2 .Reyna,Jhonson,Nsua,Skrtyl,Caragher,Macherano and Gerard in middle, Ben Ayoun and Babbel on the flanks and Kuyt and Torres up front. I know Ferguson is gonna play with one striker in Rooney or he might shock us by starting Owen. Scholes and Giggs will also be on his agenda.
But for Rafa if teh reult goes Lyons way,The pressure could be boiling......
Sir Alex Ferguson enters the game without any added pressure.What Im saying is that for Rafa its not just pride...Its his Job

Manchester United News & Views

Contenders – Liverpool

The much awaited Liverpool game is upon us. What can you say about the beach boys title challenge so far, has it deflated? At the end of last season Liverpool looked like they would be the biggest threat this season to United’s title. Why? Because they were winning games without Gerrard who was out for about 6 to 7 games at the end of last term whilst Alonso & Macherano comprehensively dictated Liverpool’s midfield. The Mersey siders definitely played with great belief about them & it all started after they clobbered United 4-1 at the Theatre. The Red Devils got hammered for silly defensive errors & maybe it was the wakeup call that United deserved in light of the sometimes over elaboration in defense when all you need to do is just boot the ball clear. In a way that result also broke United’s confidence as for the rest of the season we played with a jittery edge right up to the Champions league final in which we just couldn’t last the distance. However winning games builds your confidence & United come into this game on an 8 game unbeaten run & 7 points clear of Rafa’s rebels. Rebels indeed with Alonso & Arbeloa gone & Mascherano tempted by Barcelona the KOPS have lost 4 games this season & a lot of their belief & confidence fading. Take away their 2 front anchors & teams like Sunderland will outplay them.

Looking back over the last 3 seasons they have let go of some really good players. Strikers who have left like Crouch, Bellamy & Keane would have provided ample firepower all season round. In the middle Sissoko & Alonso would have provided the depth necessary to mount a serious title challenge. Sissoko who now applies his trade with Juve outshone Gerrard at times. His Viera like presence really made Liverpool a dangerous proposition. A midfield consisting of Gerrard playing the attacking front man, Sissoko & Alonso providing the glitter in the center, Mascherano protecting the back four & the effective Dirk Kuyt presenting excellent rotational options would have been a force to be reckoned with. However the erratic decision making of Benitez stands between the Kop & the title, compounded by the financial situation at Anfield. A game against the old enemy might just be the right tonic for Benitez’s boys to restore their title ambitions. You can count on them playing out of their socks as anything less might be curtains on title talk. With Arsenal back on form, Spurs in the top 3 & Man City still a big threat the Mersey siders are well off the pace from a top 4 finish.


vs. Bolton (2-1). The last ten minutes of this game seemed to overshadow United’s dominating performance as we were barely hanging on for the final whistle. Gary Megson’s 90 minute shouting marathon seemed to take effect in the closing stages after an error by Gary Neville allowed the imposing Kevin Davies to pick out Mathew Taylor for Bolton’s lifeline. United just didn’t look comfortable at the back. Rio Ferdinand’s form has come into question. With constant injuries plaguing the England Center back he looks like he has lost a lot of his sharpness. Michael Owen has missed a few sitters this season & again could have scored a few in this game. Ryan Giggs dominated midfield & just dragged the Wanderers defense around at will. He is one of about 10 Premier League players nominated for the Ballon D ‘Or. Berbatov for me is looking more established this season. Some of his deft touches & acrobatics against Bolton brought back memories of Cantona. He can be the catalyst in a lot of the key games this season.

Looking Ahead

United travel to Moscow tonight & a chance to virtually wrap up the group early on. Depending on Fergies strategy in view of the weekends clash at Anfield he might play a somewhat rotated squad. Giggs, Rooney, Fletcher & Evra are all out of this game. Following the Liverpool match we have Barnsley coming up next Tuesday in the Carling Cup. There are rumors that Nani might be sold in a swap deal for David Silva in January. I’m not surprised as Nani just doesn’t look the part this season. With Chelsea surprisingly dropping points at Villa it looks like there will be a lot more upsets in the title run.


Many readers were saying that they find it difficult to read UBGS englerati...(english mixed with gujerati  and swoosh0018 will now filter UBGS lyrics. Anyway Breaking news just in is that Joel Santana has been Fired. Our man UBG is on his toes and sent his application immediately to Raymond Hack as the two were spotted at Kashifs Restaurant in Fordsburg.

By Uncle Bhai Gora.

How do you become a millionaire in 13 months. Its a quick formula and its so easy.
All you have to do is coach a team in another country. I tried this with Goas Gaderas in india. Then you musnt be able to speak a hint of the language of the country that you are applying to. Get a translator and then eat lots of chicken and tortillas and just coach.Talk and scream
If you do all of the above successfully SAFA will see you. And they need a coach.
Apply to SAFA or get refered by a friend that saw Pele and Areh Wah....You get paid 1.3 million rand a month.It cant be difficult. You dnt have to win games, you can lose 8-9 .Also you allowed to lose against the Big teams.Everybody says Shame, they played well.
Then you start losing against teams like Iceland and Norway and Mauritius and Areh Wah You become a Millionaire.
Santana deserves to go and I said it long time that I would have done a better job.....
I mean he has done nothing, he couldnt even speak English.
I cant understand SAFA...In the countrys World Cup year they bring in a MUGG, A no namer really.We all thought that a Big Footballing name will bring the Unity.
we have went from bad to worse to putrid. Austrailia,Korea were no namers,Hiddink made them big.He installed belief.Its not that our guys cant play, Its they cant believe in someone they know was destined to be a flop.
And wid the biggest competition in football 8 months away we are back to square one.
So wats gonna happen Swoosh0018 readers....Do I stand a chance.Do you want me to apply for who wants to be a millionaire.
At the end though I say that we should have rather kept 15 million in our country and payed our owes.
Ta Ta Santana.Its about time

UBG recieved this email from swoosh0018 reporters..Dont know who came up with it but credit to the man that intercepted this bugged telephone call.

(I think this was a dialogue between Perrera and Santana)

Perrera: dude stop sitting around and starving in Brazil, there's a place in Africa with plenty of moola and the football association is a bunch of muggs who will pay you whatever you want and believe whatever you say.

Santana: how much are we talking about?
Pererra: around R1.5 mil a month....

Santana: You lie....get out of here! I thought Africa was a third world continent?
Parerra: Yep thats what I thought too, but hey these guys are nut case, they are so gullible its not funny, and they think they are rich..

Santana: you getting me excited now, but how will I get my hands on those riches?
Parerra: mmmmmhhh..... how well do you know soccer cousin? because i was thinkin you can come take my place as a coach of their national team, i miss home now and I've had my share already..

Santana: I watch it every now and then.
Parrera: Ahhhh, thats enough.. we can even say you've coached a small local team before and I will recommend you cousin...

Santana: man we talking about a national team here, not just any local team!!

Parrera: Dont worry cousin leave all that to me, I told you thats a banana republic.
Santana: But dont you have a contract with them already?

Parrera: So what? I can always say my wife is sick and needs my support..
Santana: oh one last thing.... I just met this woman I really like her,I cant just cant leave here..

Parrera: Can she speak English?
Santana: She watches Santa Babra and she said to me this morning "happy morning"

Parrera: Great!!! she can go to SA with you.. we'll say she's your interpreter, she can also earn some money from SAFA.

Santana: you kidding me... it this country soo bad?
Parrera: a circus I tell you...

Santana: what if I want to come back home before my contract expires?

Parrera: dont worry you will not stay there for long, no one ever does,the team loses all the time and the public blames the coach...

Santana: so these guys cant even play?

Perrera: come watch this video... you see this weakest link? "Aron Mokeona the gate way" he is the captain. should I say more?

Santana: hahahahaha... let me go do my visa and passport right away.
source:sent to my via email.Well done to who ever wrote this...he he..brilliant


  1. 1-O to Liverpool.
    Yosi Ben Ayoun.Difficult at Anfield.Even though we are not at our best,with gerard and Tores we have belief

    Mohamed Parker

  2. There is a storm brewing.They call it El Nino

  3. As a Liverpoool Fan i will take the win no matter how we get it. but as a football fan i dont see it happening, with the midfield we have lack of Strikers, not to mention LUCAS (If he scores the winner i will put his name on one of my kits).

    We beat the last year with a weaker squad, could do it again thats why we Love LIVERPOOL YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

    Naseem you might not get alot of comments from ALIs because after last season they learnt not to get to excited until the final whistle...... Read More

    Muhammed Bhoola

  4. Liverpool claim they have Anfield as the 12th man.
    We also have a 12th man.
    His name is Lucas Leva


  5. Come on swoosh up the odds.... Mancs win you wear a manc top for weekend with ur name printed on the back...
    Wat u say

    Junaid Seth

  6. Swoosh is a bangbroek, he will never do that coz all these liverdrols have a false sense of security. You see last year was just a test phase where SAF said "let's see if we lose to these muggs both games what happens", and still the MANCS won the EPL.

    So what more do these liverasses want? Furthermore they have a worse mentality than SAFA, coz they would rather win the battle but lose the war!!!

    Tonight though the livertwats face their first test, who knows maybe they can scrape a draw.

  7. YNWA=You'll never win anything, whawhahwhahwhawha!!!!!!

    Pepe Reina wins Ballon D'Or award, whawhahwhawhahwha!!!!

    I think Mugg of the Week will have to go to Pepe Reina, he saw red and thought it was Gary Neville kicking the beach ball and tried to save that instead of the actual ball.

  8. Liverpool have the 12th man at Anfield , the Kop
    United have the 12th man wherever they go, THe Ref

    Alan Wiley

  9. So Swoosh if you are giving away matching kits to the winner of the best quote my question to you is what will happen if 'SHAKES' wins coz he supports both Abus & Alis.

    May be you can mix and match what say u

  10. who gives a sh1t !!!
    united play to win the league , something liverpool fans should try to understand.

    "go" BEACH BALLS

  11. where is Vis Kopout?
    Is he still fantasizing about touching Bhekhams bum?


  12. Go What are your predictions.Tell us now,before you go all quiet after Sunday

  13. Wayne Who!Wayne f#4ken Rooney

  14. This is a very crucial fixture.If we lose we must kiss the premiership goodbye and Rafa must F34k off

    Mohamed Ismail

  15. A 1 a 2 a 3 a 4.
    4-1 You as Good as your last game,the MANCS once said

    The quwatul saatie

  16. I want to ask the blogs MANCS.
    Is Rio Ferdinand better than Jamie Charagher

    Malcolm in the middle

  17. Ferdinand is poor absolutely.If it wasnt for Vidic and Terry at England this MUGG would have been exposed.Hard to believe that he is one of the highest paid lads in the premiership.

    Disgrace to defending


  18. Cara for sure.Ferdinand is f#4ken useless

    2-1 Pool

  19. First beat Lyon then pump ur mouths-Amazing to see the Liverpool chaps predict results before the games.I just sit back and admire them lol.
    We will beat Lyon,We will hit the mancs,el nino is coming.

    They are distined for nothing this year.


  20. Question-How many clowns does it take to win a Liverpool game?

    Answer-None.....They too busy playing with the balloon

  21. Nah the inflated condom coz they got fukd

  22. you will never wank alone!


  23. Rooney injured, berbatov doubtful, we will get owe to silence the scum! That will be a real stab in the back to the kants!

  24. TQS



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  26. swoosh no need for that kak on santana, yet again you show your lack of patriotism! get the hell out of SA if we so big muggs!

    you and that abr doos aways blast SA. Its just not on!

  27. Hillsborough LoverTuesday, 20 October, 2009

    It shows the state of ur shit club, that the biggest thing you worried about is beating MUFC. Worry about the title race, to the idiot above about you only as good as your last game, we won the title in case u forgot! u beat us 4-1 and yet you muggs were second, you muggs are sitting mid table this season

    what an idiot using the theory of u only as good as your last game.

  28. Aww Redman u r da bomb on this blog....knock these liverflops out. I like the way u read the game and this goes out to all u livertwats especially Swoosh for blogging and writing incorrect info. read the game as Redman reads it stop talking kak about one win which is the only talking point in ur minute worlds lets talk trophies then blog mofo's

  29. Remember u guys are and will always remain a 2 man team no fucking depth when u buy more firing power then we can talk. With regards to the 4-1 win u guys wrapped us up no doubt coz it seems ur only obsession is to beat us and thats it...


  30. A couple with a child are in court to finalise their dirvoce.

    Judge to child: Do you want to live with your mother?
    Judge: why?
    Child: She beats me.
    Judge:Okay, so you want to live with dad?
    Judge: why not?
    Child: he beats me too.
    Judge: So who do you want to live with?
    Child: Bafana Bafana.
    Judge: WHY??
    Child: They never beat anyone!

  31. Just an observation i made over the weekend.... when Ronaldo left united everyone was pumping their mouths saying you mancs are nothing without him, he made united blah blah blah.... gerrard and torres injured and the scousers look alot worse off than a united with no ronaldo!!!!
    just and observation

  32. PUMP ur mouths more u flops thats all u can do for the last 19yrs pump pump pump but it gets u know where until we pump u's in the gaan proper gaan maaring this wknd

  33. ya ya ya , you freakin mancs are just too much, pumping your mouths all the time. Go back under that rock you came from.


  34. YNWA u will get pumped for sure this wknd and surely u will want to walk alone after we gaan maar u's. The more u talk the more pumping u get

  35. Aweee, let's all join the bloodbath coz it's getting worse for the liverdrols, whawhahwhahwha.

    I don't care who wins on sunday but the fact is that without ronaldo and tevez United are in a better position than last year this time, and the liverpoeps withouth gerrard and torres are in mid-table and with them well, they still behind Man United.

  36. Bibi See Breaking News:

    Gerrard and Torres actually suffering with shoulder injuries, the weight of carrying liverpool was too heavy.

    Ja, your two man team' liverpoeps, without them you nothing. Look at Manc's, without ronaldo and tevez, we sitting 1st. Whose a two man team now?

    Swoosh, didn't you publicize that United were a two man team? Do you still say that the Manc's are a two man team?

    I think you should write crap abt your own team coz they are a two man team. By the way, how come the livertwats are not raving abt their position after 10 games this year? Coz they are sitting mid-table. Normally liverpools season ends at 9-10 games.

    Matlabi's=liverflops and their supporters, whahwahwhahwhawhahwha

  37. Swoosh u rather quiet in the midst of the war where are u say something console ur fellow supporters at least, why u running away u always do the cowardly thing


    To the LIVERTWATS/FLOPS at least we don't boo our team after losing u guys just did that and that just proves ur loyalty coz u guys made them walk alone last it then comment ok.


  39. hey guys, i call for calm on this blog.
    show some repect to the liverpool supporters.
    they going through a tough time these past few's a difficult period for them.

    "go" who gives a sh1t , wa ha ha ha ha

  40. Thats the way to GO

  41. Man United Zindabaad!!!!

    We don't care about Sunday's game coz it doesn't matter. All we want is to win trophies, but liverdrols, che che che che. All they want is to beat the Manc's coz that's what they want all season long.

    Don't worry swoosh, I know that you n your fellow supporters are waiting to say "I told you so", that we will come back from our lousy slump". And then you will have all these part time livertwat supporters pumping their mouths about how they beat us and bla bla bla.

    But guess what, Michael Owen is going to score against the liverflops and that will be sweet, i hope that happens!!!!!!

  42. And what if, just what if this crocked up Liverpool thumps you MANCS on Sunday.
    Then we will see who PUMPS their mouths

    The Quwatul Saatie



  44. Let them pump their mouths Abus.On Monday on the blog we will see Who is quiet and who is crying.

    The Man Utd guys must make gidmet for us on the blog on Monday.

    The Quwatul Saatie

  45. If Man Utd were in our group without Ronaldo they will also be on the verge of an exit

    Faheem Vahzerz


    We were in same position last time then we pumped Besiktas 8



  47. Now I we not going to hear the phrase "RAFA IS A EUROPEAN TACTICAL GENIUS"

    Go eat umble pie Swoosh,you and your kings of europe


  48. Ronaldo never ever performed for the MANCS in Big games so hes invlovement in a JIHAD was 0 always.

    Go win your easy group

    The Quwatul Under Construction Saatie

  49. time to sack your manager !



    Jamaal France

  51. our season is over boet...

    Fayaaz Dindar

  52. No Champs League for you guys next year , Naseem lol
    Make the best of this 1 .... :)
    You guys soon gona be walking alone ..... lmao

    Zahid Chotia

  53. wheres that Killa litie he has the most obscured blog comments when it comes to liverflops well i guess he is a bias poes.

    Get ur info correct 1st before u blog

  54. Don't talk about our loyalty to our club, whe we put 4 past you pigs at the old toilet your fans were streaming out the stadium after only 75 mins.


  55. hey naseem ow come you letting tha durban ous on the blog bra, that dave fella told you to go eat umble pie bru. wat kind an all

  56. Ja, guys. Liverflops season is only about the Mancs, shows how much they need the Mancs. They can't win trophies then they try n beat the Mancs. We going to whip you drols 3-0.

  57. Dream on PIGS!!!


    why call the guys pigs , you souver


  60. If the United fans are not so worried about getting beaten by Liverpool over the weekend, why are you guys already making excuses before the game saying " it doesn't matter if y'all beat us..blah blah blah" dont talk kak , it does matter, if it didn't, you wankchester United supporters would still be able to keep your Wank tops on after the game instead of going into hibernation for a week.
    Look how empty the Cold Trifle was when the score was only 3-1.
    Prawn brigade maaderfishes


  61. Well said Pellegrino.

    Now you talking about getting personal?

    After all the shit you guys said about us etc?

    its on mofos...sorry I mean PIGS!


  62. Hey Pellegrino

    Open your mouth after you beat a decent team! Last night without The Great Penaltinho you could do F**KALL! An aging Milan team embarrassed you at home!

    The only time you scum pigs will ever win anything is if you have another plane crash and we know how dirty you bastards are and wishing for that!

    You'll Never Win Anything!

  63. What an ass, the Manc posing as Leonardo

    Mauricio Pellegrino is the defense coach of Liverpool. You confusing your small Manc brain again...
    Real's Coach is Manuel Pellegrini

    Thanks for showing your ignorant manc brains and embarassing the scum brigade

    Go learn some football names





  65. Killa is a doos thats why he supports kak teams that wins nothing

  66. Verzhar are you two years old?
    what kak u talking if united were in your group without ronaldo they would have struggled, this is even better then that commnet about the chiks and thast why liverppol win u last made!

    are u right in ur head?

    you guys got fiorintina and lyon, and 1 other shit team, anfiled is such a fortress in europe, as u guys say, u should have won ur home games, u idiot!

  67. Hey Pato

    Why don't you use some Clearasil before you open your mouth or do you prefer Oxy 10?

    Pellegrino/ Pellegrini who cares, they both coach sh*t clubs are got hammered this week at home!

    The weekend will be an even bigger hiding and then you okes will be in hiding till the next season! Next season is always the scum season!

  68. Maybe Liverpool in this state are actually worrying the mancs.the way I see it a victory will make the Liverpool season,a defeat will break the season.

    pool have nothing to lose.I want to se the mancs pump their mouths if they lose this weekend on the blog come Monday

  69. Liverpool gave no depth.When you look at bench its synonymous to the following

    its like 3 in ht emorning in c.t when u need a chick to eat..u see this sardine looking chick with no front teeth looking at you..and u know things are Fucked up


  70. HI Stupid this Leonardo is swearing Pato his own player
    what dwoos bag

    Its obvious he is a manc in disguise, coz mancs no shit about football, they only know the date of Liverpool vs Manchester.


  71. Yes Seedorf, Manc's only know this date, they forget the dates when they win Leagues and Cups!

    And if you open your mouth you GOLLY WOG you'll be on the bench this weekend!

  72. Mancs are wanks
    manc are wanks

    Manc wanker United supporter

  73. How do you now United lost a game ?
    NO AIG tops anywhere !

    Fake fans
    Only support when winning !

    C. Ronaldo

  74. How do you know when Liverpool lost a game?

    They played a fixture !

    R. Keane

  75. How do you know when United lost a game?
    Ferguson says the ref robbed them, he is unfit, etc, etc ,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc

    Alan Wiley

  76. Guys lets have some perspective... Liverpool vs Scum U is not a matter of life and death's more important than that ...

    Come on the Reds..
    Mike Gani

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